J. Darrin Gross:
I'd like to ask you, Anton, Maddy, what is the biggest risk?
Anton Mattli
Yeah. Obviously, as you mentioned, risk is everywhere. A lot of risks that can be mitigated at least right and Insurance obviously is a is a is a perfect tool for that some risks cannot be mitigated and they it brings me back to the financing side and forever on investments, as well as for our our clients. I would say the biggest risk is really that when you own a property, that you potentially lose that property, even though it cash flows. And this is we have seen it in 2008 and 2009. And oh, we get back to that time period. But doing market disruptions, you will have a situation potentially, there you may not get financing, as it will be available today. And if you get financing, it might be at at terms that your noi and cash flow cannot support. And this is my view is really the biggest risks that one is, is owning a property and one is in a in a financing situation, and is not ready for for that black swan event, during which one potentially would have to refinance or sell the property. So my solutions recommendation really is for that is is make sure that you have lower leverage, or a longer term of the loan, so that you're not caught off needing to sell the property, or refi the property the loan that is in place doing such a black swan event, which essentially means is that one should always have at least one year, ideally two years of a remaining term on the long left. To avoid such a black swan event, right, when we look back to 2000 de 2009, if you had to refinance a property right during diverse period of time, it was not available for for for a lot of the borrowers. However, if one was able to wait it out for another year to two years financing came back and didn't lose the property. And that is I would say is probably my my biggest fear of from a risk perspective, but also something that can be resolved by just keeping the term of the loan locked out for long enough, so that won't get snow caught in the middle of such a black swan event.